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		<title>By: Sense &#124; spiritualtyranny.com</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-7923</link>
		<dc:creator>Sense &#124; spiritualtyranny.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 12:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] truth for a lie.  For a long time American Christianity has been told to submit to authority—lay down their minds in the best traditions of European Religion—so it is no accident that we are inclined to give away [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dear Christian Chicken Little &#124; spiritualtyranny.com</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-2048</link>
		<dc:creator>Dear Christian Chicken Little &#124; spiritualtyranny.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] them too God, their Father, aids and abets the fulfillment of the very same.  They rise when men Lay Down their Minds  and quit defending themselves.  You will hear my words and think them full of all manner of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] them too God, their Father, aids and abets the fulfillment of the very same.  They rise when men Lay Down their Minds  and quit defending themselves.  You will hear my words and think them full of all manner of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Collective Fraud--Humility and Guilt &#124; spiritualtyranny.com</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>Collective Fraud--Humility and Guilt &#124; spiritualtyranny.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comments julie on Join in Theoretical HumilityDan on Lay Down Your MindJohn Immel on Shout out PageButterfly on Shout out PageJohn on Shout out PageButterfly on Shout out [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smith,

But then, you knew that I would know that he would refuse your considered judgment, didn&#039;t you?

Have a cookie. Before you know it, you&#039;ll feel as right as rain.

-the oracle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smith,</p>
<p>But then, you knew that I would know that he would refuse your considered judgment, didn&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Have a cookie. Before you know it, you&#8217;ll feel as right as rain.</p>
<p>-the oracle</p>
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		<title>By: John Immel</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator>John Immel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neo... Morpheus is not here... He refused our considered judgments and that left us no recourse but to lovingly pursue him in the midst of his sinful pride.   That requires we use all available means of grace to restore him to fellowship.   
 
All who do not lay down their mind will be exposed to the privilege of Church Discipline… 
 
Mr. Smith </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo&#8230; Morpheus is not here&#8230; He refused our considered judgments and that left us no recourse but to lovingly pursue him in the midst of his sinful pride.   That requires we use all available means of grace to restore him to fellowship.  <br />
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All who do not lay down their mind will be exposed to the privilege of Church Discipline…<br />
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Mr. Smith </p>
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		<title>By: keepinstep</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>keepinstep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of your post, John, I&#039;d just say it demonstrates that the battle of Satan against Man occurs primarily in our minds, which must be renewed so we accept this truth:

&quot;...Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her &lt;em&gt;by the washing with water through the word&lt;/em&gt;, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but &lt;em&gt;holy and blameless&lt;/em&gt;.&quot; (Eph 5:26-27)

Paul actually believed this about himself, despite his own past, because in Ephesus he declared - with no one disputing him: &quot;I testify to you this day that I am &lt;i&gt;innocent&lt;/i&gt; of the blood of all men.&quot; (Acts 20:26) 

There was something in the gospel of the Christ Paul proclaimed, that is missing in the gospel of Christ proclaimed by anyone who would make the argument you&#039;ve written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of your post, John, I&#8217;d just say it demonstrates that the battle of Satan against Man occurs primarily in our minds, which must be renewed so we accept this truth:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her <em>by the washing with water through the word</em>, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but <em>holy and blameless</em>.&#8221; (Eph 5:26-27)</p>
<p>Paul actually believed this about himself, despite his own past, because in Ephesus he declared &#8211; with no one disputing him: &#8220;I testify to you this day that I am <i>innocent</i> of the blood of all men.&#8221; (Acts 20:26) </p>
<p>There was something in the gospel of the Christ Paul proclaimed, that is missing in the gospel of Christ proclaimed by anyone who would make the argument you&#8217;ve written.</p>
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		<title>By: keepinstep</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator>keepinstep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to speak up for Dan Quayle, in the interest of accuracy. Veep Dan made his speech in 1989 before the United Negro College Fund, whose slogan is &quot;A mind is a terrible thing to waste.&quot; 

In that speech, Quayle said: &quot;. . . you take the United Negro College Fund model that what a waste it is to lose one&#039;s mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to speak up for Dan Quayle, in the interest of accuracy. Veep Dan made his speech in 1989 before the United Negro College Fund, whose slogan is &#8220;A mind is a terrible thing to waste.&#8221; </p>
<p>In that speech, Quayle said: &#8220;. . . you take the United Negro College Fund model that what a waste it is to lose one&#8217;s mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Butterfly:

Good comments.  And you got exactly my point.  I can&#039;t imagine anyone in this day and age that is willing to surrender EVERYTHING (mind, money and other materials) just because someone in authority says you have to.  The more they try and press to gain control, the more I would want to push back.

They always will have a ready excuse why something is not working in your life (well you didn&#039;t do A, B or C).  There has got to be another way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Butterfly:</p>
<p>Good comments.  And you got exactly my point.  I can&#8217;t imagine anyone in this day and age that is willing to surrender EVERYTHING (mind, money and other materials) just because someone in authority says you have to.  The more they try and press to gain control, the more I would want to push back.</p>
<p>They always will have a ready excuse why something is not working in your life (well you didn&#8217;t do A, B or C).  There has got to be another way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gracie</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>Gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  This whole post feels like a heavy blanket being put over me and I&#039;m slowly sufficating.  It reminds me of C.S. Lewis and The Silver Chair, if anyone is familiar with that story. 

How exhausting it must be for SGM leadership to continually pound these precepts into their people and then &quot;hear&quot; from God how to best use OUR time, resources and talents.  No wonder they get a little testy at times when we don&#039;t follow their direction.  One sure way to &quot;shake up the coke bottle to see what&#039;s inside&quot; among SGM leadership is to challenge the manner in which they exercise their &quot;unique gifting&quot; to look out for our souls.  After all, they stand in the very stead of God.  Yikes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  This whole post feels like a heavy blanket being put over me and I&#8217;m slowly sufficating.  It reminds me of C.S. Lewis and The Silver Chair, if anyone is familiar with that story. </p>
<p>How exhausting it must be for SGM leadership to continually pound these precepts into their people and then &#8220;hear&#8221; from God how to best use OUR time, resources and talents.  No wonder they get a little testy at times when we don&#8217;t follow their direction.  One sure way to &#8220;shake up the coke bottle to see what&#8217;s inside&#8221; among SGM leadership is to challenge the manner in which they exercise their &#8220;unique gifting&#8221; to look out for our souls.  After all, they stand in the very stead of God.  Yikes. </p>
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		<title>By: db</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As noted infamously by Dan Quayle, a mind is a terrible thing to lose ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted infamously by Dan Quayle, a mind is a terrible thing to lose <img src='http://spiritualtyranny.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morpheus,

Just the right mix of truth and error to be dangerous.

-Neo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morpheus,</p>
<p>Just the right mix of truth and error to be dangerous.</p>
<p>-Neo</p>
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		<title>By: Butterfly</title>
		<link>http://spiritualtyranny.com/lay-down-your-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Butterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John &amp; Dan,

Interesting reading this morning. John, I like your writing style because it makes you work your brain! Wow. Dan&#039;s comment is right where I was when I left SGM and I stayed there for years. I got so used to being spoon fed by SGM. Every Sunday they told me how totally depraved I was, every problem I went to them for counsel instead of God. I was well trained. And, I can&#039;t understand why they wanted it that way. Here is a strange thing. I like to think they wouldn&#039;t do this to people on purpose but in my last hours there they knew that I was not trusting God&#039;s word over theirs. They knew they had me at a place that I could no longer see my justification was from God and not them or myself. They knew I was in the exact place of Dan&#039;s words. I am all bad. There is absolutely no hope for me. They knew I was suicidal and they offered no hope. I am still here by God&#039;s grace. In all honesty, they knew the dark place they put me in, and they wanted it that way - but why I don&#039;t know. What do they gain from that kind of control? They wanted to be sure I felt bad enough about myself and would believe they were the only way out of that feeling because then I would obey - or so they thought! I could not submit to that. Jesus is the only way to God; Jesus&#039;s words are The truth, and it is Jesus that gives me life and life to the full. Their plan backfired. They must have forgot that it is God&#039;s kindness that leads us to repentence, it is His character that makes me fear Him, it is His love that would make me run to the cross and give up everything for more of Him. Your plan would have worked with me before John - but never again - because now I know who I am in Christ and that no scheme of man can pluck me from His hand. I am His and how wonderful is that! But good luck with the others!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &amp; Dan,</p>
<p>Interesting reading this morning. John, I like your writing style because it makes you work your brain! Wow. Dan&#8217;s comment is right where I was when I left SGM and I stayed there for years. I got so used to being spoon fed by SGM. Every Sunday they told me how totally depraved I was, every problem I went to them for counsel instead of God. I was well trained. And, I can&#8217;t understand why they wanted it that way. Here is a strange thing. I like to think they wouldn&#8217;t do this to people on purpose but in my last hours there they knew that I was not trusting God&#8217;s word over theirs. They knew they had me at a place that I could no longer see my justification was from God and not them or myself. They knew I was in the exact place of Dan&#8217;s words. I am all bad. There is absolutely no hope for me. They knew I was suicidal and they offered no hope. I am still here by God&#8217;s grace. In all honesty, they knew the dark place they put me in, and they wanted it that way &#8211; but why I don&#8217;t know. What do they gain from that kind of control? They wanted to be sure I felt bad enough about myself and would believe they were the only way out of that feeling because then I would obey &#8211; or so they thought! I could not submit to that. Jesus is the only way to God; Jesus&#8217;s words are The truth, and it is Jesus that gives me life and life to the full. Their plan backfired. They must have forgot that it is God&#8217;s kindness that leads us to repentence, it is His character that makes me fear Him, it is His love that would make me run to the cross and give up everything for more of Him. Your plan would have worked with me before John &#8211; but never again &#8211; because now I know who I am in Christ and that no scheme of man can pluck me from His hand. I am His and how wonderful is that! But good luck with the others!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?  I&#039;m all bad?  So if there is absolutely no hope for me, why then should I even try?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  I&#8217;m all bad?  So if there is absolutely no hope for me, why then should I even try?</p>
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